Hello, welcome to Fat Mascara. I'm Jen Sullivan. And I'm Wani Jiang. Wani, I'm not

if you get to pretend. So this is my guest co-host, but I can't. It'll be very clear to

all of you. She's also one of my dearest friends and a beauty expert in her own, right?

Welcome.

Thank you. I love that you said dearest. I was like, is she going to say best? She better

say best, but dearest is very acceptable. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. It's getting heated already.

I love this. Okay. So what is on your fingers? Tell the people, are you ex-lipixful eating while

doing the podcast? Is that what's happening? I got a paper cut. I got some sort of cut.

And I don't have band-aid. So I just wrapped paper around, I'm not getting around my finger

and a hair band, you know, to stop the bleeding. It looks like one of those little ghosts you made

in elementary school. Yes, the ghost of the tear that you put on the tissue. This is just evidence

that one is one of the most creative people that I know. See, she doesn't have a band-aid

look how she works around that problem. She's a creative director. We met when we were both

working at Mary Claire together. Now she works in beauty. She's a creative director. She'll tell

you about it. Actually, give us some background. Who are you? What do you do? Oh, I'm just a little

girl from China. That's now a grown-ass woman. And I work as the global creative director at JVN.

Hair. As Jonathan, Vanessa's hair brand. And it just launched in 2021. It's still baby.

When we both left the magazine world in my heart of hearts, I knew you were going to go into beauty.

Did you are more of a beauty? I mean, you're more of a beauty girl than I am, but I need to know,

like, have you always had this connection? Like, what was the first beauty product you owned?

You mean, like, stole from my mother? Since I was three years old, I was in China and I was born

there. So I would steal the scarves from the stereos tied around my waist into a skirt because

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