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Iron Culture presented by MASS

Ep 369 - New Controversy in LDL Research

Iron Culture presented by MASS

The MASS Crew

Health & Fitness

4.8874 Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2026

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Editorial note: 
We recorded this episode on March 4. This is an important detail for contextualizing the timeline of events discussed in this episode, as well as our understanding of the matter at the time of recording. 
Since we recorded this episode, the paper discussed has been officially retracted. We will provide additional updates on this story as they become available.
 
Episode summary:
Join Eric Trexler and Eric Helms as they dissect the chaotic rollout of a controversial study on LDL cholesterol and lean mass hyper responders, explore issues in science communication, and debate the integrity of research in the age of social media.

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Chapters
00:00 Intro
09:18 Social media dust-up
17:27 Revisiting the "Lean Mass Hyper Responder Study"
23:25 New controversy surrounding the study
33:14 Investigations regarding data integrity
41:43 Historical Context: NUSI and Its Implications
50:55 Steelmanning the argument
55:22 Potential issues with the "citizen science" movement
01:01:50 The death of expertise and the future of science communication

Transcript

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0:00.0

What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Iron Culture presented by Mass. It is me. Eric Trexler joined as always by the Dr. Eric Helms-Helms. How are we doing this morning, tomorrow morning in New Zealand?

0:18.4

Hey, first, thank you for recognizing the time zone difference and accepting that even if it is not

0:23.6

the most dominant preferred and financially respected time zone in the world, that New Zealand

0:30.5

does have a time zone.

0:32.2

And it's an especially important thing because this morning, my wife, unofficial doctor, Lyon, successfully defended her PhD

0:41.0

in geology in my enemy university, the Auckland University, or University of Auckland, I should say.

0:51.1

I bet when you guys have football games, it is just, I mean, the budding of heads in that football rivalry.

0:58.0

You've talked up collegiate sport in New Zealand enough that I know how intense it gets.

1:03.2

I only recently found out that actually there is such a thing as AET sport and there is a very little known university league where the, it's basically the equivalent

1:13.3

of like the chess club, you know, kind of size, you know, that there are some of them.

1:19.3

And they reached out to us a couple years ago for our institute, the research institute,

1:23.8

like, hey, do you guys have me postgraduate students who might be doing strength conditioning related stuff and can help the aet sport teams and I was like we have

1:31.8

a UT sport teams but yeah it is that an entirely different world people don't understand

1:36.4

um in either place like people from the u.s are like what do you mean there isn't university

1:42.2

teams that aren't massive and and like, who do you support?

1:46.1

And I get questions Americans all the time.

1:48.2

Like, oh, so, so like, what teams is AUT good with?

1:51.9

And I'm like, that's not a thing, bro.

1:53.5

And then outside of the U.S., everyone's like, what do you mean 90% of the university is funded by the athletics department and that it basically costs the GDP of a small nation to, you know, to do this. And then you have. Because, yeah, like if, when you're, when your football, yeah, when your football team alone is a $100 million enterprise annually, yeah, that's a different kind of thing.

2:22.9

Yeah. So, like, it's not like university towns are not a thing in other countries or, or places, but the economies of scale are a little different, typically. And it's, and then they're even more confused in the sport and exercise world.

2:37.8

So like, oh, that's really cool.

2:39.2

Then you must get the opportunity to work with these D1 athletes.

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