What's up everybody? This is the Betray, the addicted, and the expert. My name is Brannon and I am the expert.

And I'm Ashland and I was the Betray portrayed. And I'm Kobe, the recovering addict.

What you're going to get is three unique perspectives on recovery and tools for hope and healing.

All right, so is separation ever a good thing for a couple,

especially a couple dealing with addiction and betrayal trauma.

That's what we're talking about today.

And we're going to talk about what healthy people do

when they have a healthy separation as opposed to maybe an unhealthy separation.

Okay.

So I just asked you guys this, but you guys went through a separation we didn't we had an in-house

separation so explain what that is what does that mean or what did it mean for

you guys for us it meant we had a place in our basement that was

a spare bedroom and bathroom so Kobe moved down to the basement. We both work

from home and we have two little kids and it was a opportunity for us to have space and have safety and to really focus on our own selves but also be like in different places yeah and so

really he would he got ready downstairs he slept downstairs we did all those things separate and my room

became more of a safe place instead of this. I don't want to go to bed at night

because he's there. Right, right. What other things shifted in the

relationship? So things like, you know, were you

guys going out on dates just as much, sex, like the, like what happened in terms of? Yeah, the rules and the norms of the relationship.

Because if you were separated technically,

what did that mean other than sleeping in a different place?

Well we weren't having sex and we were not, it was more like there were a lot of

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