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Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

Ep. 337 - Platinum Coaching Call

Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

Second in Command with Cameron Herold

Management, Careers, Entrepreneurship, Business

4.9224 Ratings

🗓️ 7 December 2023

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Today's episode of the Second in Command podcast is a little special. It's an example of one of Cameron's platinum coaching calls, in which he addresses the dynamics of workplace communication and project initiation, focusing on the interaction between two archetypal roles: a CEO, Nick, and his COO, Lacey. Cameron emphasizes the importance of understanding individual work styles, especially in how different people start projects. He notes that Lacey, in her role, tends to ask numerous questions to grasp the full scope of a project, covering aspects like who, what, when, why, how, budget, and priorities. This approach however, frustrates Nick, who perceives her thorough questioning as argumentative rather than an attempt to understand his vision. Cameron points out that while Nick has been mulling over the project internally and expects Lacey to immediately catch up, she requires detailed information to begin work effectively.

To address such disparities in work styles, he suggests that everyone in leadership positions should complete the Kolbe A profile – a tool that helps in understanding how individuals initiate projects. He presents the differences in Kolbe scores between himself and Lacey as an example, highlighting that these scores reflect their distinct approaches to project initiation and management. Cameron suggests using these various personality profiles at least once a year to foster better understanding and synergy within teams. He elaborates that CEOs, like Nick, often prefer quick summaries and bullet points rather than detailed reports, which contrasts with Lacey’s detail-oriented approach. Cameron also discusses the concept of 'fact-finder' in Kolbe profiles, which influences how people like Lacey start projects by gathering extensive information. On the other hand, CEOs often think in approximations and prioritize momentum over precision. 

Cameron explores the concept of 'follow-through,' which is typically high in CEOs and revolves around establishing systems and processes before embarking on projects. This need for organization can clash with the entrepreneurial spirit of starting immediately and figuring things out along the way. He advocates for the Kolbe A profile not only as a tool for understanding but also as a means to facilitate effective collaboration, akin to relationship counseling. He also touches upon the cyclic nature of marketing and operations in businesses, observing that a focus on marketing leads to operational efforts, which then slow down marketing activities, creating a cycle that can affect business flow.

Enjoy!


In This Episode You'll Learn:

  • How different individuals, like CEOs and COOs, approach project initiation and management, and the need to recognize and respect these differences for effective collaboration.
  • Why thorough questioning at the start of a project is crucial for effective execution, despite misunderstandings it may cause with those who prefer a more direct approach.
  • The utility of tools like the Kolbe A profile in understanding how different team members initiate projects, and how this can enhance team dynamics and productivity.
  • Strategies for tailoring communication to suit different personalities within a team, such as providing concise summaries for quick decision-makers and detailed reports for those who prefer in-depth information.
  • The significance of 'Follow-Through' in high-ranking roles, which involves setting up systems and processes before starting projects, and how it contrasts with an entrepreneurial mindset.
  • The cyclical nature of marketing and operations in businesses, and the importance of continuous marketing efforts to maintain a steady flow of work and revenue.
  • And much more...


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Lacey's going to ask seven or eight or nine questions before she starts the project.

0:05.6

The who, the what, the when, the why, the how, the budget, the priorities, and for Nick, it pisses him off off because he thinks that she's arguing with him.

0:16.0

She's not arguing with him. She's trying to fucking understand him and Nick has been

0:21.6

rolling this project around in his mind for an hour or a day or a week or three months.

0:27.0

Or he just intuitively knows because he sees the whole thing.

0:31.0

So he delegates it on to her lap and he's a little bit kind of

0:34.2

overwhelmed with all the other stuff that's going on and he just expects her to

0:38.1

catch up. Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast, produced by the COO Alliance and brought to

0:50.9

its founder Cameron Herald.

0:53.0

In the second in command podcast,

0:55.0

we talked to top COOs who share the insights,

0:58.0

strategies and tactics that made them the chief behind the chief.

1:02.0

And now, here's your host, Cameron Harold.

1:06.2

So I'm going to suggest that all of you do your Colby A profile.

1:14.1

It costs you about 50 bucks, 60 bucks.

1:16.5

And then ask your CEO or your COO

1:19.8

to do their Colby A profile as well. The only thing you're going to learn from a COB, but it's huge, is how people initiate or start projects.

1:30.3

So as an example, we'll use Lacey and me as an example right now.

1:33.2

So Lacey's the COO for Nick's company and Lacey's profile is very typical of a COO.

1:42.1

I'll show you what my profile is and my profile is very typical of an entrepreneur.

1:47.0

You see how right away the numbers are very different?

1:50.0

So just even looking at the numbers you know there's going to be something different.

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