Then I started to listen to alternative health shows, which led me to hear more about the nature of consciousness and energy and psychic phenomena and things like that.

And the more I heard about those topics and started to read books and scientific papers, I realized, whoa, if even 1% of this is true, I have to rethink my very existence.

I mean, and yeah, that's putting it mildly, because I was, who am I? What am I doing here? Everything I used to believe was true might not be.

And most of the people in my family and personal and professional networks are not even

thinking about the stuff. What's going on? Because at the time, I didn't know there were

huge communities of people that were already familiar with this. And basically, since then,

I've been on a nonstop journey to rethink all of my paradigms. This is Spirit Jim. In today's

episode, Paul is talking with Mark Gober, the award-winning author of the Upside Down book series of seven books,

spanning the topics of consciousness science, spiritual awakening, political and economic theory,

UFOs, The Great Reset, Medicine, Cosmology, and more.

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All right, everybody, as you heard in Penny's introduction, our guest today is Mark

Gober, the author of The End to Upside Down Everything.

And probably more to come, I'm sure.

And so today we're going to have an amazing tour of Mark's book series. So each of you gets a chance to really have a sneak preview of what's in these books. And I highly recommend any of them that interest you buy. They're all extremely good. So Mark, welcome to Spirit Jim with Paul Chek. Paul, thank you so much for having me.

And I'm excited to dive into your books because you'll

help me know which ones to start reading next. Your books cover a wide variety of topics and some

deep topics as well. So to begin our journey together, can you share your background and what led you

to devoting so much

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