When chronic pain is at that level of a degenerating disc, severe pain, it kind of pulls you out

the present moment. You can't really think about anything. You kind of move wrong and it just

pulls you right into that sensation and it's horrible. So for the first time in five or six months,

I forgot about the pain. My pain would go from a 10 down to a two or a three and kind of just

melt in the background.

And so I was like, wow, this is amazing. And mind you, this was after I tried everything from,

to your point, I tried CBD, THC. I was doing inversion tables, doing all sorts of stretches,

exercises. I'd also tried anything my doctor at the time recommended, like

muscle relaxers, all sorts of pharmaceuticals that did not help me. And so first time ever

Kratem was a miracle for my pain. This is Spirit Gym. Today, Paul is talking with Alexander

Carl, the chief scientific Officer for Etherals.

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Paul and Alexander are talking about pain relief and how Kratom can be a safer approach to many of the pharmaceutical remedies that people commonly use.

Well, hello everybody.

Today we're going to talk about pain relief,

Kratom, a safer approach.

I've got Alexander Krep here with me,

the chief science officer for ethan naturals and element 115.

We will also have a guest appearance from Danny Way,

who is who introduced me to Alex,

and Danny and I have a long history.

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