They're bad, they're boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around.

But that doesn't mean that you have to leave town.

Hey, DeBadness.

So we like to bring you topics that at times really go into death on running.

And I invited our next guest on because I was reading

an article, I think by Alex Hutchinson, who's the great author behind the book in Jure. He'd written a

piece in, I think, Outside magazine. And I was going to try and talk about that on the podcast.

And I realized, actually, what I ended up was, what I was going to do was have to read out

the whole article because it was so good.

And the article was basically having to read out the whole paper that our next guest had written.

So I thought I might as well get Giam on to explain it far better than I can.

So welcome on the podcast.

Gim Millett.

Wee!

Thank you. Welcome on the podcast. Give a minute. Wee! How you doing?

I'm good.

How are you?

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