Wow, is all I got to say. There are individuals where when you strike up a conversation,

you can merely see the level to their thinking of how in-depth they'll think about a certain

topic. And I think our guest that we have on today, Chip Conrad, who is someone that you've

looked up to, someone who you, was he your weightlifting coach? Yeah, I would call, I would call Chip a

mentor for me at various time points. So to give a brief history of me and Chip just because we kind of

just get right into it and we have just a lot of fun on this podcast and we're all tangenting

a little bit. I first met Chip when I did my first powerlifting, first sanctioned

powerlifting meeting in 2007, which is at Body Tribe, his gym, and then slowly got to kind of meet

him. He was the promoter. He was the head judge. He ran that. And just getting me to talk to him

over time, I realized how much depth he had.

And the little things he would drop into conversations,

like I found out, oh wait, you used to hang out

with Mel Siff.

Hold on, you're having Tommy Kono come present

and you've done that multiple times.

When I taught at Brian College,

which is a personal training,

it has a personal training program in it along with a massage therapist one and others.

But anyway, you can get an associate's degree in personal training there.

I was an instructor there from 2011, 2012, before I moved to New Zealand.

I used to have him come and present about movement and about what the corporate fitness structure was like

and how there are other options besides just working

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