This is why I go back to what is this person presenting. Not what are they saying? Because the mouth is the only part of the human body that lies. Everything else will tell you the truth. Hey, guys, my name's Charlie Gray. I'm Alison Alhammed. Hi, I'm Erica Keelan. It's Kia Artistically Neil. I'm Kimberly Taye Hare, and you're listening to The Hair Game Podcast.

Hey, listener, I'm Eric Taylor.

Hope you guys are liking these interviews that we did during ISSC.

There's a few more coming up and I think you're going to like them.

We're very busy getting a lot of great content for you guys.

Speaking of ISSC, if you haven't heard, it is changing. It will no longer be called ISSE and it will no longer be in Long Beach. So the organizations that put together Premier,

Premier Orlando, there's several premieres, but Premier Orlando, I think is a big one that everybody

knows about.

Those organizations are going to organize a hair show called Premier in Anaheim.

And that's going to start, I believe, next year, 2023.

So there's going to be premieres in Anaheim, Orlando, San Antonio, and Columbus.

And of course, Cosmoproff, not of course, but Cosmoproff will remain in Vegas.

It's put on by the same organizations. And then in 2024, that organization is going to put on a premiere in Miami.

Okay. So no more ISSE Long Beach is going to be Premier Anaheim starting next year,

2023. How about that? Okay, let's talk pod loot. This is the middle of the month, which means you have a couple weeks to write reviews on the Apple Podcast app and get your name, the bag for the drawing for the monthly Podlute giveaway.

I will give you more details at the end of the show.

Now to my conversation with Maddie Conrad.

My podcaster side was like, oh shit, he's too close to the microphone. I hope Donovan's paying attention. Oh no, this is why you got a sound engineer. Yeah. I needed one of these when I was doing mine. I was like, I would always end up doing one. Then I'd go back and listen to it, I'd be like, fuck.

Yeah, I literally, like, I had one guy that I'm like look I'm really sorry it was two hours long and it was it was with

Tarek Tariq Jackson who is amazing if you have you ever talked to Tariq I don't think I have

get him get him he's so fucking great he's like the educator's educator he's smart. He's such an awesome guy I talk to. Good dear friend. We talked for two hours and it was the best conversation I think I've ever had about hair. And then I've listened to it back and I'm like, oh, fuck me. And I text him. He's like, hey man, thank you so much for giving me two hours of your time. I appreciate like man that was a great conversation like would you be open to having it all over

again you're like what I'm like I'm sorry I fucked up and he's like oh yeah no that's

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