the people that you're working with are your strength and you know those who try to go out

it alone or you know take that spotlight that you're talking about it I just you know it's it's not

authentic and people can feel that.

If you have the right team, which I'm a big believer in,

you know, having sort of this racehorse team where you're not pushing them,

you're not prodding them.

They're like, they're going on their own. All you're doing prodding them they're like they're going on their own all you're doing is making

adjustments and making them the best they can be it's interesting because when I did

first start my non-music career as an executive I thought that I had to do everything.

And that actually was created the opposite effect.

It created, you know, a disengaged team because they felt that I was micromanaging

when really what I was trying to do I thought was give them bandwidth

because you know you know the buck stops with me and you know I should take on all

their burden it was an early lesson that I still have to remind myself up you know

that people want to feel engaged they want to feel part of the solution, and you have produced by the COO Alliance and brought to

its founder Cameron Herald.

In the second in command podcast, we talked to top COOs who share the insights, strategies, and tactics that made them the chief behind the chief.

And now, here's your host, that made him the chief behind the chief.

And now here's your host, Cameron Harold.

All right, so you're going to love this episode today. This is the only time that I've ever had a conductor of an orchestra now C.O. on the podcast, super cool. You're actually going to get some really good insights as to how you can take the skills of being an

orchestra conductor for seven or eight years and bring that into the business world into the CEO.

We're all talking about leaders of leaders, heart-centered leadership.

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