Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast, produced by the COO Alliance and brought to

you by its founder, Cameron Herald.

In the second-in-command podcast,

we talked to top COOs who share the insights,

strategies and tactics that made them the chief behind the chief.

And now here's your host, Cameron Harold.

Our guest today is Cogery Insurance is C Kevin Mackie. Kevin leads the company's operations including finance, accounting, legal, scaling people operations, security, tech services, and customer advocacy.

After graduating with the degree in finance and accounting

and working with a by-side equity researcher

through the Financial Crisis era,

Kevin Tapped his entrepreneurial DNA

as a founder and technology ecosystem builder in the Cincinnati area for the past decade.

He founded his first company, Blue, in 2011 and worked for three years at Centrefuse,

a private public partnership with an active network of

venture capitalists, big corporations, and tech startups. In between

startup experiences, Kevin Gosh wrote the Fearless Front Line, which is a book

about organizational and leadership design.

Kevin currently splits his time between Chicago and Cincinnati, and Kevin, looking forward to chatting with you today.

Thanks for joining us. Yeah, thanks, Kevin, really appreciate it.

Yeah, so you've got a really

interesting journey in terms of the kind of entrepreneurial side of things and

working on the the BC side of things as well. Why don't you kind of just walk us

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