Hello and welcome to the Karma You podcast. This is your host, Chloe Brotheridge. I'm a coach, a

hypnotologist and I'm the author of The Anxiety Solution and Brave New Girl. And this podcast is all

about helping you to become your calmest, happiest and most confident self. Hi folks,

welcome back to the Karma You podcast.

I am finally recording some more episodes for you.

It's been a little while.

Life has been lifing and getting in the way as it tends to do.

So in today's podcast, I have a brilliant guest.

I'm talking to Natalie Liu. She is a writer,

podcaster and artist. And she helps people pleasers, perfectionists, and relationship

strugglers overcome their emotional baggage so that they can become more of who they really

are. And she has a book out at the moment called The Joy of

Saying No. For those of us that really struggle with saying no. And I know that there's a lot of

us out there. And it was interesting reading her book highlighted to me how much this is definitely

something that I need to look at

and continue to work on. It's something that I have worked on, my people-pleasing tendencies,

but her book really does a great job of so cleverly describing the ways that people-pleasing

and our inability to say no, how this can show

up and how it can stop us and trap us and create a lot of anxiety. And so we talk about the signs

that you are a people pleaser because sometimes it might not even be something that you

even realise is going on.

It's so second nature to you that you don't recognise that it's a problem and recognize the

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