Hello and welcome to the Bikes or Death podcast. My name is Patrick and I'm your host.

This is the show that talks about bikepacking, adventuring, and the cool people who participate.

On this episode, I have back Billy Rice. Again, I'm in his home and I'm very happy to tell you that the audio doesn't suck this time because I figured I had to use my dang equipment and that's nice.

While it's great that I have Billy back on the show and I'm honored that he came back, I am bummed that we are not going to be talking about his experiences on the tour divide or his yo-yo with his 16-year-old daughter

or any of the experiences that he had on other races or camping or his interactions with wildlife.

No, no, no, no.

Because this episode, we have to take the time to address what I'm calling the drama divide.

Because if you watched or kept up at all with the tour divide, you know that even before it started, there was just drama.

Drama, drama, drama.

Everywhere you look, someone's talking shit shit someone's got an opinion anyway and i like really debated on whether or not i wanted to say anything or

address it at all like all the drama that was going on online.

I only made one comment.

I brought it up on the Sopheon podcast,

but I said it's his head, it's his decision, referring to his decision not to wear a helmet.

And that's the only thing I said.

Because not only do I hate internet drama, it's just

dumb and unproductive. How many of the world's problems have been solved globally, locally,

whatever, by a Facebook bitch fest.

What the fuck is getting done on Facebook?

Nothing. People are wasting time.

So while I do have opinions, that is not the form in which I want to debate ideas so part of my reason for I mean I'm

sitting here now I'm like what the fuck are you doing you know don't just just fucking throw this one

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