Ep. 17: The Secret City
The Re-Education with Eli Lake
Nebulous Media
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 16 June 2022
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, we examine what life was like for gays and lesbians when they were second-class citizens and forced to live in the closet and how and why this unjust regime changed. The guest is the author of a new history of gay Washington, Jamie Kirchick.
0:03 - Introduction
0:52 - Monologue
7:09 - Interview with Jamie Kirchick
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | This is Eli Lake and you are listening to the re-education. |
| 0:04.0 | My guest today is the author of The New History of Gay Washington, The Secret City, Jamie Kirchuk. |
| 0:10.0 | And the topic of today's show is liberalism and gay equality. |
| 0:15.0 | I'm beautiful in my way, just I make no mistakes. I'm on the right that you say, I would fall in this way. |
| 0:21.6 | Don't have you to see. |
| 0:22.6 | Don't have you still the regret, just love yourself and instead. |
| 0:27.6 | I'm on the right track, baby, I will fall this way. |
| 0:31.6 | Oh, that ain't no way, baby, I would fall away, baby, I was born this way. |
| 0:51.3 | That was Lady Gaga's anthem, Born This Way. You can hear this song, shopping malls, inside |
| 0:57.4 | ubers, or on a daytime talk show as it cuts to commercial. It's almost banal, and the fact that |
| 1:04.2 | its popularity is caused for its banality tells us something remarkable and hopeful about America |
| 1:10.3 | in 2022, |
| 1:11.8 | because this song is a celebration of a simple concept |
| 1:15.5 | that people who sleep with their same gender are not perverts, traitors, or predators. |
| 1:22.3 | They are just being true to themselves. |
| 1:25.3 | They are born this way. |
| 1:27.1 | Now, today, this view is conventional wisdom. |
| 1:29.3 | For most of the 20th century, the government, the police, the medical community, the media, and our culture |
| 1:36.1 | treated homosexuality as a sin or a mental illness. It marked one a deviant. It was a source of shame. |
| 1:46.4 | It made someone a target of blackmailers, |
| 1:52.5 | forced gay men and lesbian women to take enormous risks every time they sought a sexual partner. |
| 1:57.6 | It was a kind of apartheid. The straits could marry, serve in the federal government, |
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