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The Re-Education with Eli Lake

Ep. 18: Saudi Arabia

The Re-Education with Eli Lake

Nebulous Media

News, News Commentary

4.8628 Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2022

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Eli explores why it’s hard to shun an ally like Saudi Arabia, even when the new Saudi crown prince acts like a tyrant. If there were easy answers in foreign policy, every pundit would be a statesman. 


Time Stamps:

0:03 - Introduction

0:24 - Monologue

9:03 - Interview with Brian Katulis

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0:00.0

This is Eli Lake and you are listening to the re-education.

0:04.7

My guest today is Brian Kutoulos, the Vice President for Policy at the Middle East Institute.

0:10.3

And the topic is what to do about an ally like Saudi Arabia. Nearly four years ago in Istanbul, a writer and activist named Jamal Khashoggi walked into the Saudi consulate and never came out.

0:33.7

He was murdered, lured to the building by agents for Saudi Arabia's crown prince Mohammed bin Salman.

0:40.2

After he was killed, a team then began to carve up his remains as part of a cover-up.

0:45.6

But the hit team miscalculated.

0:47.8

Turkish intelligence was monitoring the consulate, and the Turks began to leak out intercepts,

0:53.3

photographs, and videos, which made it clear that the Saudi consulate, and the Turks began to leak out intercepts, photographs, and videos,

0:55.1

which made it clear that the Saudi consulate in Turkey's largest city was now a crime scene.

1:01.6

For most of his career, Jamal Khashoggi was an advisor to the Saudi government,

1:06.5

and close with former intelligence chief Prince Turkey-Al-Faisal.

1:10.5

But after the ascension of Muhammad bin Salman, Khashoggi was on the outs.

1:15.3

He fled his country for the United States, where he became a legal resident, and wrote a

1:20.0

monthly column for the Washington Post.

1:22.4

In the pages of that newspaper, Khashoggi was a tough critic of the crown prince.

1:29.3

Murdering political critics on foreign soil is the kind of rogue behavior that we expect from American adversaries like Russia,

1:35.2

China, or Iran. And yet here was America's oldest Arab ally behaving in the exact same way.

1:42.4

Bad enough, but the Saudis made things worse by constantly changing

1:46.3

their story about Khashoggi, only to be exposed by the Turkish leaks. First, the Saudis said

1:52.0

they had no clue what had happened to Khashoggi. Then he died in a fight with consulate personnel.

1:57.6

Over a period of weeks, the Saudis were forced to reluctantly acknowledge that this

2:01.8

critic was murdered. This was a full-on diplomatic crisis. We made clear to them that we take this

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