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Hi, this is Josh Marshall and this is the Josh Marshall podcast.

Today, believe it or not, we're going to talk about Matt Gaetz.

I don't know, maybe for the entire episode, I'm not sure.

I mean, it's a lot to talk about.

Even though this story is only, I think the New York Times story, which got the ball rolling,

I think came out late yesterday afternoon, something like that.

And because Gaetz is a moron, I mean, he significantly advanced the story over the, you know, he's out tweeting.

He spoke to a handful of news outlets.

Well, clearly, just someone like, hey, Matt, can I talk to you about this?

And he's like, sure, let's talk about it.

And he, you know, went on and said different things.

And then he went on Tucker Carlson.

I did not actually, I mean, I've seen a few clips on Twitter.

I actually did not watch the interview.

I mean, I was trying to have a life, which is, you know, like a losing battle for me on many levels.

But I didn't watch it.

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