Welcome to Second and Command, brought to you by C.O. Alliance, where top-level COO

share the insights, tactics, and strategies that made them the chief behind the chief.

And now here's your host, Cameron Herald.

Barrett Brooks is with us today and Barrett is the C.O. at convert kit's a bootstrap startup building

email marketing software on a mission to help creators earn a living.

In the past, Barrett led growth at fizzle.co and he also worked for best-selling author Seth Golden, who actually wrote the cover testimonial from my first book Double.

He founded a company called Living for Monday where he helped college students find jobs that actually matter which I really want to hear about and

Barrett is also a servant leader's sustainability advocate and optimist or writer and outdoor enthusiast based in New York City and he

fundamentally believes that business is one of the most powerful forces for good in the

world so Barrett welcome to the Second and Command podcast.

Thanks for having me, Cameron.

I'm looking forward to this.

Living in New York City, if you're an outdoor enthusiast, we should just switch cities.

You should come to Vancouver.

Well, I spent a few years in Portland, Dora again, and that was much more catered to the outdoor life

than New York, that's for sure.

There you go.

I love Portland.

I did a lot of work back there years ago.

I was starting a company up in Oregon and Washington. I really love that place.

It's a good place to live. It's a great quality of life out there.

Have you ever seen the show Portlandia?

...