The amazing Kate Casey.

Welcome back for another episode of Reality Life with KKC.

And welcome back for this part two of my interview with Nancy Salsman.

You can go back and listen to the first interview in episode 1459.

In the first part of my conversation with Nancy, we explored the inner architecture of nexium,

how an organization that presented itself as an elite path to personal growth slowly morphed into a

system of control. And we talked about what it meant for Nancy, the woman known as prefect, to begin

unraveling her own participation in that system. But that's only part of the story, because the

collapse of nexium didn't end with people walking away. It moved into courtrooms. It moved into

years of investigations, indictments, and testimony. And it forced the people involved, leaders,

members, and survivors to confront the truth in ways that were often painful,

public, and irreversible. Today in the second half of our interview, we step into that chapter,

the legal case. Nancy pled guilty to racketeering conspiracy and ultimately served 42 months in

federal prison. Those are the facts.

But behind those facts is a more complex reality,

one that began the moment she realized

that she was no longer being investigated

as a witness or a peripheral actor,

but as someone who would have to answer legally for her decisions.

In her conversation, Nancy talks about what it was like to sit in court and

listen as former members described their experiences. People she thought she had helped,

people she had known for years, people whose pain she says she did not fully understand

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