My guest today is Daniel Coyle. He is a New York Times best-selling author. Too many books to count.

I mean, we could count them, but there's a lot. Most famous, I think, for the talent code,

a book that I definitely read back in the day. His new book, Flourish, The Art of Building

Meaning, Joy, and Fulfillment. And I tell you what, in this crazy day and age,

of information overload, of chaos, of negative stuff, it's often nice to hear the ways to find

yourself outside of all of that and to flourish.

Without any further delay from me, let's jump right into my guest today, Daniel Coyle.

Thank you. Where you have gone right now, perfect moment, perhaps in modern history to open this topic up.

My observation, you use the word flourish and maybe I'm using a synonym of purpose.

Maybe they're somewhat similar.

You can tell me your perspective.

But it's amazing to me to make the observation of people that don't seem to have this.

Smart people, people with good families, but there's something that's not there or not working correctly. I wrote the quote down here, and I've actually interviewed him as well, too,

Barry Schwartz, a long time ago. People mistakenly think it's a treasure hunt, and it's not a treasure hunt.

It's more like a treasure creation. For a guy that's traveled a lot, that's a real thoughtbender right there, considering I happen to be in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. No kidding. That's so cool. For over a decade. And this is where I really like to start with you. Why you? Why now? Because, I mean, look, you're a bestselling author. You've got books out there. People know your stuff, but you didn't have your purpose?

It's interesting, Michael, I think we've all been in the same spot where we've seen, I've spent

my life studying high performers and hung around with high performers like you have. And I've

seen people, as you have, get on paper, it's all there, right? They've achieved it all.

They've played the game right. They've been

extremely smart. They've been very intentional. They've been very systematic. They've had great

habits. And at the end of the day, they're hollowed out by that. They don't have some sense of

aliveness, some sense of growth. And we feel that sense of aliveness in certain places in our life, right? We can remember

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