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Michael Covel's Trend Following

Ep. 1385: The Value Scam with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Michael Covel's Trend Following

Michael Covel

Business, Investing

4.6732 Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2026

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Please enjoy my monologue The Value Scam with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.

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I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show.

To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/

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Transcript

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0:00.0

I got a question. And maybe this makes for a very short monologue. For the people that believe in

0:07.5

buy and hold, can you look at me with a straight face and say that you believe in buy and hold

0:14.1

when you look at the chart of Nike or Oracle or Microsoft.

0:29.2

Companies that have gone straight up in the last handful of years and straight down in the last year.

0:37.3

I don't understand if you're into making money, if you're into investing, where the fuck is the value? How does that work? I mean, if you look at those

0:41.0

three charts, you say to yourself what? There's a point on the chart where there was value,

0:47.6

and then there was a point on the chart where it was overvalued. So there's an entry and an exit.

0:57.8

And how the hell are those discerned? I saw something the other day. Somebody said he had 50 signals that condensed into one. I started laughing.

1:03.8

This is price. So back to value. How does it work? How do you know when something is cheap and how do

1:10.8

you know when something is expensive? how do you know when something is

1:11.6

expensive? And if you look at these three damn charts, how can you not have the feeling that most of

1:19.5

society from a standpoint of college, government, economics, finance, media, etc., etc., etc.,

1:30.8

are put together to lie to you and rip you off, to bend you over and take your money.

1:39.9

How can you not come to that conclusion?

1:42.7

Now, again, we're just staying on these three particular companies, Nike, Oracle, and Microsoft.

1:48.6

Three good examples. There are many more.

1:52.4

I just don't get how the value thing works. I get how Warren Buffett works.

1:57.8

He's got more money than God. He's been doing this for a long time. He's a tremendous

2:03.4

success. He has, essentially over his career, a handful of big winners, which in a way is very

2:12.2

trend-following-esque. But if you put aside Warren Buffett, the average Joe is smashed into indexes that include

2:20.7

Nike, that include Oracle and include Microsoft.

2:25.3

And everyone had a narrative for the last 10 or 15 years for why these companies went up so

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