On the one hand we're imprisoned, but we're imprisoned by the powers of our own mind,

but we don't, so many people don't even know they're imprisoned they think they're free and so part of

freeing them is first giving them the realization that they're actually imprisoned but

the next part is exactly what you were saying.

It's like imagine being imprisoned

and the gates aren't even locked.

And you can just walk out, but you've been so conditioned to you know like this learned helplessness or

powerlessness or just to assume this is like the normal state of affair and we can't

change anything that we've become so accustomed to our

imprisonment that we're colluding with it and we're actually you know we're investing the

bars of the prison with all this power over us when they're they're not

even there exactly like you were saying they're an illusion.

Welcome to Living 4D with Paul Check. Today's guest is a pioneer in the field of spiritual

emergence, Paul Levey.

Hi everybody. Every now and then I come across a mind-bending heart-opening book that is so powerful that even

one sentence can lead me in deep contemplative meditation for days on end.

Paul Levy's recent book, The Quantum Revelation, A Radical Synthesis of Science and

spirituality, is just that kind of book. If you've ever read finite and infinite games by James Kars or listen to my amazing

podcast with him, you'll know exactly what I mean about the Quantum Revelation.

Paul Levy's books include The Quantum Revelation, a radical synthesis of science and

spirituality, dispelling Wettico, breaking the curse of evil, awakened by

darkness when evil becomes your father and the madness of George W Bush, a reflection on

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