I'm John Robbins, and joining me on How Do You Coke this week is the musician Justin Hawkins.

How big a meatloaf fan, I.

A big meatloaf fan.

I remember he came over to me, grabbed me, and he squeezed me, and he said to me,

I want you to think of me as your father.

And he had like sausage on his breath.

So every time I smell sage and pork, I think of meatloaf.

So that's how do you cope with me, John Robbins. Find us wherever you get your podcasts.

Hello and welcome to the Karma You podcast. This is your host, Chloe Brotheridge. I'm a coach, a

hypnotologist and I'm the author of The Anxiety Solution and Brave New Girl. And this podcast is all

about helping you to become your calmest, happiest and most confident self. Hello, hello,

welcome to the Karma You podcast. This is your host, Chloe Brotheridge.

Hope you're doing well today. I get to speak to Tally Rai, who is a delightful personal trainer.

She's the author of the new book, Train Happy. And we get into a lot of different topics. She's really somebody who has an

attitude that the old way of focusing on exercise purely for aesthetics, purely for the way that

the way that we look is out of date and isn't really serving us. And so we get into

topics such as intuitive movement and what this is and how this can benefit you in your life

and change your relationship to exercise. We get into how to motivate yourself to exercise. And

I know what this is like. When you're, when you're feeling low, when you're not

feeling great about yourself or you're a bit down, very down, the thought of dragging yourself

off the sofa and out for a run or lifting some weights just seems so far from, you know,

something that you want to do. And Talley shares a genius

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