Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast, produced by the C.O. Alliance and brought to

its founder Cameron Herald.

In the second-in-command podcast, we talked to top COOs who share the insights, strategies,

and tactics that made them the chief behind the chief.

And now here's your host, Cameron Harold.

Matt McGinnis is the chief operating officer at Ripling, where he oversees business operations.

From 2009 to 2018, he was a co-founder and CEO of Inkling, a mobile learning platform that provides the on-job training for companies including McDonald's and Whole Foods.

Inkling was named as one of the fast companies, most innovative companies, and raised over 100 million in funding before being

acquired in 2018. Before inkling, Matt spent eight years at Apple growing the use

of products and education in the sciences. He holds an electrical and computer

engineering degree from Harvard, so he is actually one of the

smart guys because when I went to university I couldn't spell Harvard.

Matt, welcome to the Second and Command Podcast.

Thanks, like the only thing that I learned by studying I learned two things by studying

engineering at Harvard one it's like studying fine arts at MIT it's it's not

worth much and and number two I learned that I wasn't a very good engineer, which is why I went into marketing.

So I appreciate bringing up the amount of money my parents spent on that to learn those two things.

It's still a pretty amazing experience to be able to go there so that's pretty cool.

It was awesome.

Can you just give us a quick background on exactly what rippling is?

Yeah, rippling is an all-on-one HR and IT platform.

The way that I would look at it is basically any business, you know, up to one or two thousand employees has this massive hidden pain that they manually shuttle data from, you know, their HR system to their payroll system to you know

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