This is Annie Grace and you're listening to this naked mind podcast where without

judgment, pain or rules. We explore the role of alcohol in our lives and culture.

Hi, this is Annie Grace with this naked mind podcast and I'm so glad you're here.

Today we have just an awesome naked life story from Liz. So Liz, welcome.

Hi, thank you. Wherever you are, it looks really cool. Like your background looks super cool.

It is super cool. I'm at work in my full-time role and actually I'm in West Lake, Ohio,

which is on the west side of Cleveland, Ohio, where I live. That building is awesome.

Yeah, very, very cool campus. I'm very blessed with an amazing job that I love.

Yeah, that's so cool. And how fun. And you just have a great smile. You're like,

I think, very good energy. It's so fun. Yeah, why don't you just go way back and you know,

back to the early days, you know, first drinks or like that starter?

I guess I've been, I wasn't much of like a high school drinker or anything like that.

College is probably when it really started and I would definitely as much as I'm not a fan of

labels, I hate labels. I would call myself a binge drinker definitely. I was one of those that were

in it to win it. Like when I was going out, I was going out full force, planning the whole

whatever around it, knowing the days I was going out. And that just kind of rolled through

college and then into early marriage and then definitely when the kids were little.

I have four children. So I guess technically one still little. She's seven. So they span from

15, 13, 10 and seven. So we've always been busy with the kids. They're very, very active and have

lots going on, which is a great thing. But so that always, so the drinking just kind of kept rolling

with everything, you know, that I did. I worked in the bars early on, which is, you know, that's just

miserable lifestyle. I always say that it's something I feel like everybody should work in the

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