What episode is this is it is it 18? Yeah, let's see we got to pull it up on iTunes. That's the quickest way actually I think it'll be the quickest way if we pull it up on our patreon. Oh, I think you're right. Yeah, 17 was Spenardi and that was the last one. This is 18 with Melissa Mitchell of Hope Social Club. You weren't in on this one. No. But our guest host is Aurora Ford. She was a guest.

She was a guest, exactly.

And she is also a freelance journalist.

And so she's had a lot of experience with interviews.

And she knows Melissa, and she hit me up and she was like this

this woman is amazing and Melissa did not disappoint. One thing that was really

really cool about that I'm just remembering off the top of my head about

Melissa is that she performed at Folsom Prison the new Folsom Prison so that that was

like Johnny Cash exactly but that was the old Folsom prison which I which if I remember correctly is a tourist attraction now

Whereas the new Folsom prison is an actual prison still there's this one part where she talks about stab

jackets. Is that like a bulletproof vest but for stabbing? Exactly and how performing

for these certain inmates who are like maximum security that they had to be kind of in cages and so I mean you'll you'll hear that in the audio in our conversation

I'm pretty excited to listen this is the first crude conversations that I wasn't a part of. I just get to be a guest.

Well, you're the initial host.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and leave a review on it and let you really know how you did.

Like three. leave a review on it and let you really know how you did.

Like three, I wasn't on it.

Yeah, three stars.

It's missing something, I don't know what.

Yeah, there's this thing that it's missing.

A really nerdy voice.

Well, you're getting used to your voice though, right?

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