We have found out lots of ways in which Google just deliberately made things worse for its users to make things better for its shareholders.

They didn't have to worry about being good because you were never going to find another search engine and switch from Google to them.

So when the moment came, Google decided to make stuff worse.

How long have we got before Amazon just has everything?

The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

Trump has basically ended the American Internet.

And now we get to decide what a post-American Internet looks like.

It's up for grabs.

And I want to grab it.

Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World.

I'm Christian Guru Murphy.

And this is the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas and their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

Now, my guest this week has spent decades helping to shape the way we think about the modern internet.

He is a campaigner against monopolies, against surveillance and

against digital rights. And he has a new book analysing how the internet giants have captured

us and changed and become not quite as good as we had thought they were. The book is called

neshittification with the subtitle

why everything suddenly got worse and what to do about it. And it's about the broken systems

that we are living in and what we can do to try and make things better. Corey Doctro, welcome to ways

to change the world. How would you change the world?

Well, it depends on whether you want to know like broad goals or or technical tactics. So my

my broad goal is that we should have an internet where when people make mistakes and do things

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