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Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Sanna Marin on populism and a fragile Europe

Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Channel 4 News

Society & Culture, News, Politics

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Sanna Marin became Finland’s prime minister at just 34 - the youngest serving national leader at the time. She was raised by her mother and her mother’s female partner in modest circumstances, and was the first in her family to complete high school and attend university.


Since her rise to power, Marin has become known for her outspoken commitment to climate action, social justice and democratic values.


In her memoir Hope in Action, Marin shares a journey marked by resilience and hope, as well as a vision for a new kind of leadership.

On this episode of Ways to Change the World, Marin speaks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about the European leadership, why she left politics and how to embrace womanhood.

Transcript

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Europe isn't as weak as Europe is acting. If we only let China and US lead the way when it comes to technology,

0:08.0

we will be vulnerable in the future and we shouldn't put ourselves in the same place with technology than we did with energy.

0:16.0

It's nobody else's job to question individual women choice except the women that are making the choices.

0:24.4

So where, whatever you want, be as colorful as you want, live your lives just the way who you are.

0:34.7

Hello and welcome to ways to change the world. I'm Christian and Guru Murphy and this is the podcast

0:39.2

in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas and their lives and the events that have

0:43.7

helped shape them. My guest this week is the former Prime Minister of Finland, Sanam Marine. She became

0:49.3

famous as the world's youngest Prime Minister just 34, and she faced controversy over slightly

0:55.8

absurd things like what she was wearing in photo shoots, and a famous video in which she was

1:00.7

seen dancing at a party with friends. She gave up politics and went on to work for the Tony Blair

1:08.0

Institute, working closely with Ukraine, And she has written a memoir called

1:13.1

Hope in Action in which it documents her constant efforts to try and change the world.

1:19.3

Sana, welcome. How would you change the world? Well, I think this answer is very obvious. If I would

1:25.9

have all the power in the world, I would stop climate

1:29.2

change and loss of biodiversity. The biggest challenge is that humankind is facing. But unfortunately,

1:35.8

I'm just an individual and I can only work on my own small part, but we need action on these

1:43.5

matters or otherwise we don't have any future at all.

1:47.6

Now, you talk, you know, really impressively about wanting to change the world, you know,

1:52.9

unashamedly. It's a big, big ambition. Where did that come from? I mean, you have an unusual

1:57.9

childhood. I come from quite humble background.

2:02.6

We didn't have wealth, money or that kind of family connections that would usually lead to the career in politics.

2:10.6

So I come from quite humble background.

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