Welcome to Sex Chat for Christian Wives. I'm Chris Taylor of Honeycomb and Spice. I'm Gay Christmas of Calm, Healthy, Sexy. I'm Jay Parker of Hot Holy and Humorous. And I'm Bonnie Burns of Strong Wives. Come up your chair to our virtual kitchen table and let's chat.

Welcome to another episode of Sex Chat for Christian Wives.

We are thrilled to welcome internationally known sex educator Joyce Penner,

who together with her husband Cliff pioneered the paradigm shift that sex is good and of God.

They've helped millions of couples connect their sexuality

with their spirituality. They hold healthy sexuality seminars, have many DVD courses, and I've

authored numerous books, including the gift of sex, a landmark Christian sex manual, and one of

the reference books used in my human sexuality class in

college. A recent book is Enjoy, the gift of sexual pleasure for women. So we are so happy to have

you sitting with us around our virtual kitchen table today, Joyce. Thank you and welcome.

Welcome. Thank you. This is fun. A real treat.

Awesome. We tend to have fun, so feel free to love. Great. Great. All right. So let's just

launch right in, as we typically do. Let's discuss why do you think some wives have a hard time

seeing sexual intimacy as a gift?

Well, that is a big question.

And I was thinking that could take two hours just to answer that question.

That's why we wrote the book, Enjoy, the gift of sexual pleasure for women, because so many,

particularly in the Christian setting, have gotten the idea that sex is not for them.

It's just something they do for their husband.

And how that ever got translated from scripture, I'm not sure, but I think it was taught for many years in some situations.

What we actually have are five H's that help us define why it is that women

sometimes don't see sexual intimacy as a gift for themselves. And one is history. I'll just

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