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For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

[Encore] Revolutionary Relationships: Loving Others Through Tension and Disagreement with Rozella Haydée White

For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Jen Hatmaker

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.66.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 September 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Description: Have you ever found yourself at odds with someone you deeply care about—unable to agree on something that really matters? Is it possible to stay connected, even when your beliefs clash? This seemed like an important question to answer, so we decided to go back into our archives to bring forward this 2021 conversation about one of the most challenging forms of reconnection: loving and staying in relationship with people who see the world differently. To help us navigate this complex emotional landscape, we're joined by Rozella Haydée White—also known as the Love Big Coach. A theologian, spiritual life coach, and leadership consultant, Rozella is passionate about helping people cultivate love that is both healing and justice-rooted. In this encore episode,  Rozella and Jen explore how to show up in hard conversations without losing yourself, and how to make space for compassion when disagreement feels like a wall. Rozella offers this powerful reminder: “If we believe that people are created in the image of God, then I don't really have a choice but to believe in people.” This conversation unpacks:  What it means to stay in a relationship when we do not see eye to eye How we keep loving family and friends when our values don’t align anymore What do we do with our fractured families without creating havoc and disruption How we can hold two things that are true at once Thought-provoking Quotes: “If we believe that people are created in the image of God, then I don't really have a choice but to believe in people, because I don't believe that God creates anything but that which is life-giving, that which is creative, that which is good and holy.” – Rozella Haydée White “When I talk about love, I'm talking about that which is creative, that which is justice-seeking, and that which is ultimately sustaining for our mind, heart, bodies, and soul.” – Rozella Haydée White “Love does not mean absence of consequence or absence of conflict.” – Rozella Haydée White Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Love Big Coach - https://www.rozellahwhite.com/ A Rhythm of Prayer: A Collection of Meditations for Renewal by Sarah Bessey - https://amzn.to/466mtT3 Glennon Doyle’s For The Love Episode - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-02/finding-beauty-in-the-mess-with-glennon-doyle/ Brené Brown’s For The Love Episode - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-02/getting-vulnerable-with-dr-brene-brown/ Love Big: The Power of Revolutionary Relationships to Heal the World by Rozella Haydée White - https://amzn.to/3Vrm6Oh Guest’s Links: Website - https://www.rozellahwhite.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lovebigcoach/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/lovebigcoach Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@lovebigcoach TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@lovebigcoach Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, welcome to the show.

0:09.4

Jen Hatmaker here, welcome to For the Love.

0:12.0

I'm with my amazing co-host, partner in crime, Amy Hardin.

0:15.4

Hello.

0:16.0

Hello.

0:16.8

Hi, friends.

0:18.9

We're so glad you're joining us for this very special encore episode.

0:25.2

This conversation originally aired in February of 2021, but it is just as relevant today as it was then, and maybe even more so.

0:38.1

Completely, which is why we're bringing it back.

0:41.6

We have been in our For the Love of Reconnecting series.

0:48.5

And so we wanted to revere, you guys, our catalog for this show is so deep and it is so good. I mean,

0:58.1

we've got all these years of some of the best conversations I have ever had in my life. I mean,

1:04.5

and it's interesting when I go back and revisit a conversation from an earlier episode,

1:13.5

it becomes new to me. And I conducted the interview. So that is how this one felt. This was a really powerful discussion that we had on

1:21.8

this show on what it means to stay in a relationship when we do not see eye to eye.

1:30.3

Can you imagine, is this relevant at all to the world right now or no?

1:36.3

The question that was asked was, how do we keep loving people, family, friends, community

1:42.3

members when our values or beliefs don't match anymore. Or maybe they

1:49.7

never did. Is it possible? And is it worth it? And how? I get this question all the time.

1:59.3

All the time. People are wanting to know, obviously, particularly in the political landscape

2:05.0

right now.

2:09.3

What do we do with our fractured families?

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