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Today's guest is Dr. Ron Epstein, a family physician, palliative care doctor, author, researcher, and teacher of communication

and mindful practice in medicine. His book, attending medicine, mindfulness, and humanity,

explores how the foundations of mindfulness can help clinicians expand their capacity to provide

high-quality care, and how doctors, patients, and their families

can more collaboratively and mindfully approach medical decisions.

He shares how the practice of mindfulness in medicine helps support a deeper understanding

and connection between clinicians and patients, how we can flourish and be more resilient in

the midst of uncertain situations, and how healthcare professionals can more skillfully cope with

the discomfort of ambiguity, something we can all learn.

He also discusses his hope that the human aspects of medicine can

become at least as important as the technical aspects. I love that his life's work has been

discovering that mindfulness might just be the quality that creates a wholehearted master

clinician. Now, here's Ron Epstein. Dr. Ron Epstein, it is so great to have you on Untangle

today. Thanks so much for being here. Oh, it's a real pleasure to be with you. I just want to read some of the

quotes that are in the beginning of your book, because they really struck me.

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