Welcome to the Global Phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor. It's a podcast that promises to bring you to the very best guests in all of true crime and today definitely among

the most important stories that we are covering on survivors something that has become very close to our hearts and

very important to us.

Personally, of course we are talking about the Ellen Greenberg case.

She is the young elementary school teacher, 27 years old in a swanky suburb of Philadelphia.

She's found dead back in 2011. That is 13 years ago. The only person who she was with on that very snowy night as Nor'easter was coming in was her fiance, Sam Goldberg. Ellen is, she is found stabbed 20 times, 10 to the front, 10 to the back of her head and neck, 2 from independent autopsy,

two of the wounds said to be post-mortem in other words after she had already passed.

I was ruled a homicide and then after a closed-door meeting, a shady closed-door meeting,

a few months later the ruling is switched to a

suicide and for this entire time Josh and Sandy Greenberg the parents of Ellen Greenbird, have just been trying to get someone to listen to them, to get the cause of death here, the manner of death, changed to homicide and we are welcome

tonight by Sandy and Josh Greenberg as well as Guy Deandria. He is a former homicide prosecutor in the Philadelphia

DA's office and is one of the few people who

without a doubt is the entire file at the time of Ellens and then you've got Gavin Fish who

without a doubt has been the lead reporter on this a lead investigator he is a reporter in his own day job it also has a

YouTube channel uh Gavin Fish welcome to the program.

So without further ado, yeah, what I would like to do tonight, we did this obviously last

night, and I would just again urge everyone to please share this episode. It's important. I don't typically ask that but if you can please share this episode.

Josh had a special request because this eventual Supreme Court ruling once this

is heard will affect something very specific and so Josh wanted to delineate that Josh the floor is yours.

Oh the reason we didn't get the opportunity on the lower court I forget the

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