Hello and welcome to Happy Place, the show where I, Fern Cotton take time out to just,

oh well, breathe, usually in the company of someone else who needs a breather too.

Today's guest is another podcaster. She is the presenter of the hit show How to Fail.

It's a Elizabeth Day. Humans are community-based animals, so there's a sense that we need our tribe.

We need to forge connections. That's what makes us make sense, so that's what makes us survive.

But I feel like the dial on that has got really warped and we're seeking too much community

in a way, like too many voices. If you're a fan of the show and you should be because it's

exceptional, or even if you're not, you'll definitely get something out of this episode.

And it's a little bit of a peek behind the curtain of how we make our shows too.

For this episode of Happy Place, we partnered with Heritage by Julux.

Heritage Velvet Mat has a luxury, soft-to-touch paint finish that stands up to the demands of a busy

modern home, available in a beautifully timeless colour palette that allows us to fill our homes

with whichever rich feelings we please. I've got a pot of an utterly gorgeous rich shade called

Deep Ultra Marine right here. Do you know the Lapis Lazuli Stone? It's like that. A completely hypnotic

balloon that reminds me of just how much I feel mesmerised whenever I'm by the sea on the south coast.

It's got that gorgeous seaside feel to it, that deep sea feel to it. Whenever I'm by the sea,

I feel just so much calmer. My nervous system, my physical body, just everything slows down a bit

and feels less edgy. And that means my thoughts stop racing. They're just at a slower pace and I feel

like I can just manage with everything that bit better. The sea has a huge effect on me.

So it will probably come as no surprise to you that I've got options. I mean, they're going to

paint my bedroom in this colour or my little tiny office where I write and do all of my happy

place emails, etc. So I think a deep ultra marine could really bring a sense of freedom but also

...