I look at it. When I first came in, I was guarded. You know, I was guarded because, like Steve said, if you got to, if I, if I showed you who I really was, then you wouldn't like me. If you saw who I really was, you would take advantage of me. If you saw who I really was, you would turn

around and run because my opinion of myself, I was just a low life piece of shit.

I'm Matt. Hey, I'm Steve. Hey, I'm John. This is the Sober Friends podcast. We're here for

The Sober Curious, the new guy, and the old timer.

We're here to talk about the stuff anyone looking to live, alcohol-free has to face day-to-day.

And we overcame those struggles.

We speak for no 12-step group, but we do try to remain anonymous.

You're not alone.

This is the sober friends podcast.

If you get a few alcoholics around a table, even when they're trying to decide a topic,

you get three people who are arguing and decide that a word is not what a word is.

I had an idea of being on Mark's podcast, the recovered cast recently, where we went over step two.

And one of the words that we used is vulnerability. And now we're talking through is

vulnerability of the right word that we're talking about. And the idea here is, do you have to be

vulnerable or do you have to be intimate or do you have to be open to stay long term sober? I've got John and I've got Steve here. We all have to be open to stay long-term sober. I've got John and I've got Steve here.

We all have some different views of what the definition should be,

and we're going to hash that out tonight.

Gentlemen, what's going on?

This topic came up because we know of somebody who's decided to go off and do some more research

and it pains me the people who go off and do some more research and it pains me the people who go off

and do some more research to see if they really have a problem. And one of those things is,

are you really open enough? Are you opening up with yourself, your sponsor, the people around you?

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