I had to be honest. I had to be honest with myself and I had to be honest with other people.

Those things that I was going to take to the grave. Why do I have to write all this crap down on a piece of paper?

And then you expect me to talk to somebody else about it? Are you out of your mind?

That was my feeling the first time when I went through

step four and five. I didn't see the purpose in it. I didn't see the, what the benefit of it.

I couldn't understand it. It couldn't grasp the concept. And I fought it. And I fought it.

And I didn't come clean. And I kept a lot of things hidden, you know, and they always

say those things that you keep a secret and get you drunk, it came close, you know, if I'm

going to be 100% honest, I, I got closed.

I'm Matt.

Hey, I'm Steve.

Hey, I'm John.

This is the soberber Friends podcast.

We're here for The Sober Curious, the new guy, and the old timer.

We're here to talk about the stuff anyone looking to live, alcohol-free has to face day-to-day, and we overcame those struggles.

We speak for no 12-step group, but we do try to remain anonymous.

You're not alone. This is the sober

friends podcast. Steve, we had some huge downloads last week. Really? Huge. Well, that ends because

John's back. John, welcome back. I'm glad you're feeling better. Ah, the COVID got me, dirty bastards.

I look at your experience with COVID, not interested in this.

The fatigue is, the fatigue and the achiness is what, that's the tough part.

And with, you know, some of them who's as active as I am, you know, that's, that's, that's like torture, you know, to be, to be down and just feel just so exhausted all the time.

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