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The Art Of Coaching

E394 | Dr. Nick Holton & Dr. Adam Wright | Anti-Fragility: Thriving Amidst Unpleasantness

The Art Of Coaching

Brett Bartholomew

Health & Fitness, Education, Business

4.9 • 649 Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Adam Wright and Dr. Nick Holton for a wide-ranging conversation on anti-fragility—the ability not just to endure difficulty, but to grow stronger because of it.   We go beyond the philosophical jargon and buzzwords and get into what anti-fragility actually looks like in real life, whether you’re leading athletes, running an organization, or just trying to manage your own day-to-day stress.   We talk about: •What anti-fragility really means (not just resilience or grit). •How exposure to unpleasantness is essential—not optional—for growth. •Ways to practically use setbacks, stressors, and challenges as catalysts. •Why chasing happiness is less effective than learning to thrive amidst discomfort.   If you’ve ever wondered how to turn adversity into an advantage without romanticizing it or oversimplifying it, this episode will cut through the fluff and give you something you can actually apply. 🎤 Art of Coaching Live Events Let’s be honest—most workshops leave you with a notebook full of tips and no real plan for change. Ours are built different. At Art of Coaching, you won’t just sit and take notes. You’ll engage in real scenarios—role-plays, peer feedback, video breakdowns, and live evaluations—designed to help you sharpen your communication, think on your feet, and handle tough conversations with more clarity and control. Whether you’re dealing with a passive-aggressive coworker, trying to be more assertive without burning bridges, stuck in tension at home, or just tired of second-guessing yourself socially or professionally—we can help. This is potent personal and professional development that actually sticks. No fluff. No filler. We offer multiple pricing tiers and discounts—reach out at info@artofcoaching.com and we’ll help make it work for you. Upcoming Workshops:📍 Phoenix, AZ – Oct 11‑12  (Speaker School™)📍 Murfreesboro, TN – Oct 25‑26  (The Apprenticeship™)📍 Charlestown, MA – Nov 15‑16  (The Apprenticeship™) 🔗 artofcoaching.com/events Real Coaching for Real Life Let’s be honest—everyone says they want growth, but putting in the work? That’s where most people just stick to what’s comfortable.. That’s why we created a mentoring service built for the real world. Whether you’re stuck on a professional decision, starting a business, writing a book, dealing with pressure at home, or just trying to get out of your own way—we can help. This isn’t therapy. And it’s not a rah-rah, feel-good session either. It’s direct, tailored coaching from people who’ve been in the trenches—leaders, operators, educators, business owners. Our team of 15 comes from a wide range of backgrounds, so you’re matched with someone who understands your world and knows how to push you forward. Everyone needs a coach.We’re here when you’re ready. 🔗 artofcoaching.com/mentoring Follow Us: Website: ArtofCoaching.com Instagram: @coach_brettb X: @coach_brettb

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Here's a question I have for you. If you are not willing to invest in yourself in general, let alone during hard times. Why would you be surprised when others are not willing to invest in you? And I ask you this question because so many of you are really sharp talented people, but you get in your own way. You overthink things. You make yourself busier than you need to. You fall into this trap of thinking it's not the right time and it's not good enough and you're not ready and that's a lot of the stuff that will hold you back. This is what our live events and our coaching are made for to help you overcome this. Whether it's our apprenticeship program which focuses on how to have better hard conversations, how to negotiate, how to manage through conflict, how to do things that every Every coach and every leader is going have to do, but do it better, or our speaker school, where you can become a more confident, clear speaker. These are things that give you immediate return on investment. They're things that help you earn more in your career. They're things that help you deal with the inevitable power dynamics that you're going to deal with. And there tends to be this kind of miss This, this misattribution of, oh, are these things only for people who struggle to communicate?

1:27.2

Absolutely not.

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These are programs for people who know they don't want to leave any stone unturned in terms of self-development, professional development, development in all aspects. So if that's you and you value investing in yourself and you want others to invest in you, whether that's to pay you to come speak around the world or whether That's just to about you your work and see the true inside it provides then get to art of coaching dot com slash events right now. We have Interest free payment plants. We have student discounts first responder discounts, but the bottom line is we have a ton of Resources that can help you were're never gonna be able to come to everybody's city.

2:05.2

We are going to be able to provide you with research-based outputs that are pragmatic, get you out of your comfort zone, and at the end of the day, are also a lot of fun to take part in. They're interactive, you get around a wide range of individuals, and we would love to see you there. So go to artofcoaching.com slash events. Artofcoaching.com slash events.

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That's Artofcoaching.com slash events. Artofcoaching.com slash events. That's Artofcoaching.com slash events right now. Welcome to the Art of Coaching podcast. I'm Brett Bartholomew and at a young age, poor communication nearly caused me my life. Now, I help others navigate the great area of social interaction, power dynamics, and communication so they can become more adaptable leaders regardless of their profession, age, or situation.

3:05.6

This podcast is for everybody who is fascinated with solving people problems. So if you're in the no nonsense type who appreciates frank conversations, advise you can put to use immediately and learning how others navigate the messy realities of leadership, you're in the right place. I'm glad that you're joining us. Let's dive in. I'm gonna go back to the hotel.

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I'm gonna go back to the hotel.

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I'm gonna go you're joining us. Let's dive in. Today I sit down with Dr. Nick Holtin and Dr. Adam Wright. Dr. Nick Holtin is an international

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speaker, consultant, trainer, and coach, and his work focuses on helping individuals become

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better versions of themselves through the application of cutting edge science of human

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flourishing, a synergistic development of peak performance and overall well-being and fulfillment. He's worked with individuals, teams, businesses and organizations ranging from professional athletes to Fortune 500 executives. Dr. Adam Wright, who I also enjoyed having a great chat with, is also a high performance coach, executive coach, consultant, and educator. Collectively, both of these people's resumes read like a who's who, but most importantly, people that are grounded in just doing great research. And the reason we all connected is, they have a tremendous initiative called the Anti-Fragile Academy. And they go into deep research, but most importantly, practical application about how to make people more resilient, how to really help people in the face of hardship, and help people become more adaptable. I mean, we talk about terms like grit and resilience and all these things, but what does it really mean pragmatically? And what I really appreciate is we start just talking about the definition of unpleasantness and how do you thrive amidst unpleasantness? And I think that this is really potent because in today's world, people just wanna seek pleasure more than anything. Yet they always talk about and pay lip service to growth. That's not a reality, right?

5:05.5

A precursor to adaptability is hardship and going through things. And there's very few people that talk about this stuff in general. Let alone talk about it as practically as they do. So we're having a real conversation here. Nothing's scripted. It's three people getting together saying, hey, from a research perspective, from a pragmatism standpoint, from a real life perspective, how do we build more anti-fragility in children, in ourselves, and in the world so that people can become the best version of themselves without being a fake version of themselves? There's a lot here. This could easily be a four-hour discussion, and I urge you to go to the antifragileacademy.com to learn more. But without further ado, here is Dr. Adam Wright and Dr. Nick Holden. Welcome back to another episode of the Art of Coaching podcast. I am here with Dr. Nick Holden and Dr. Adam Wright. Gentlemen, thanks for joining me for this conversation. Thanks for having us. Excited to be here. Yeah, genuinely happy.

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I know you're work for a long time, but I loved your book when it came out a long time

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ago.

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I write it.

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It's actually in the office.

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I appreciate your stuff for a very long time. So I'm very happy to be here. Well, let me ask the obvious question, then, as an on ramp, right? his first five minutes of always key why the hell haven't we met in person i

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didn't know this i didn't know this yeah yeah conscious coach you do i know

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it yeah absolutely and you know we're struck in more than anything key, why the hell haven't we met in person? I didn't know this. I didn't know this. Yeah. Yeah, conscious coach, you do.

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I know it.

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Yeah, absolutely. And you know, what struck me more than anything is I finally met a strength coach who's willing to be vulnerable and tell real stories about their life as opposed to some cultivated nonsense that sounds good, though we all know is not the real story behind scenes. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. and you teed it up for me perfectly

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because I listen to a lot of your guys' episodes as well

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