E174 - Lucy Hale: Sobriety, Self-Worth & Rebuilding From the Inside Out
Know Thyself
André Duqum
4.8 • 658 Ratings
🗓️ 2 December 2025
⏱️ 99 minutes
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Summary
Lucy Hale joins me for a deeply honest conversation about sobriety, identity, childhood wounds, fame, intuition, and learning to finally feel at home within yourself. Known globally as a singer and actress, Lucy opens up about the parts of her journey most people never see: the fear beneath early success, the alcoholism that followed her from childhood, the spiritual intervention that changed her life, and the inner work she’s committed to since.
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00:00 Intro: Lucy Hale
03:27 What do you attribute your ambition to?
04:49 Alcoholism
14:23 Hitting rock bottom
19:33 Finding meaning in yourself
27:59 Old Lucy vs New Lucy
33:30 Ad: Boncharge
35:28 How has your connection with yourself revealed new insights?
44:40 How do you navigate being in the public eye and staying true to yourself?
47:26 What are you getting intuitively about the next chapter of your life?
50:49 Ad: Mudwtr
51:57 How do you handle rejection as an actor?
54:34 From your young age, what called you to being in this line of work?
57:12 Is there a moment that stood out to you that said "I made it"?
59:51 Pretty Little Liars
1:05:54 What would you say to past Lucy?
1:08:01 Was taking responsibility of your life what shifted it all for you?
1:12:37 How do you view your sense of spirituality?
1:19:48 What is your relationship to boredom?
1:23:00 How has the definition of beauty evolved for you?
1:28:56 What does prayer look like to you?
1:29:51 Being 36 and the biological clock
1:34:46 Closing thoughts - Lucy's masculine vs feminine side
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| 0:00.0 | All right, buckle up. |
| 0:01.3 | Are you ready? |
| 0:02.5 | I was struggling well before I had any sort of fame or success. |
| 0:07.5 | Alcohol is not the problem. |
| 0:09.4 | Alcohol was my solution to my problem |
| 0:12.4 | until I hit a really big low, and I knew I was gonna die. |
| 0:18.7 | Now I'm like, wow. |
| 0:20.8 | It's so crazy to me to think that the most painful moments in my life were my biggest gift. |
| 0:26.6 | But it got to the point where when I moved to LA and started finding success in acting, |
| 0:32.6 | it was the biggest show in the world. |
| 0:35.6 | But at the time, I didn't know that. |
| 0:38.3 | No one wants to hear about an actor on a successful TV show struggling. |
| 0:43.3 | I had to learn how to be in solitude. |
| 0:46.3 | But if I zoom out, we do hold all the power, and we're taught that we don't. |
| 0:52.3 | It all starts in your mind. You can't step |
| 0:55.0 | into a new chapter when you're clinging on to an old one. It's uncomfortable, but obviously |
| 1:00.8 | worth it. |
| 1:08.0 | Hi, Lucy. Hi. |
| 1:11.3 | So it's been really fascinating to see your journey over the past few years, how you've been sharing your story. |
| 1:17.6 | So authentically, a lot of people know you as a singer, as an actress, your work with pretty little liars and beyond. |
| 1:24.0 | And I've really just appreciated the insight you've given people into the ups and downs, |
| 1:28.7 | the trials, the triumphs of all of your journey. And I'm just curious how in your words you |
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