I'm John Bachelor.

I'm John Bachelor.

I'm John Bachelor.

This is the new John Bachelor show, CBS Audio Network.

It's great pleasure to speak to Holly Frettwell with her colleague Jonathan Wood

publishing Fix America's Forest, reforms to restore national forests, and tackle the

wildfire crisis. We've touched on these eight

recommendations in part but I want to go through them for Holly to explain more

completely. Holly to encourage collaboration. We've just talked about that, the Good Neighbor Act.

Avoiding analysis paralysis. I like that. What does it mean, Holly?

Well, analysis paralysis is one of those terms,

like the Gordian Knot that our former chief of the Forest Service,

several of them have come up with in the sense of

there are so many layered regulations that overlap each other that make it

really difficult to get anything done on the ground.

We have the NEPA, we have the Clean Air Act, we have the Endangered Species Act, we have

the National Forest Management Act, we have the Wilderness Act. All these different laws

have to be abided by by the agency and by the time you get done trying to work your

way through that, you're kind of tied in a knot and that's where the Gordian knot comes

from. But there are things that we can do to reduce that and I think if you take all of our recommendations and you sum them up, what we're trying to say is, you know what, we really just need to lower the transaction cost so that we can

actually get something done on the ground and it's going to take some

collaborative groups it's going to take some public-private partnerships and it's going

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