I'm John Bachelor.

I'm John Bachelor. This is the new John Bachelor show, CBS Audio Network. It's a pleasure to speak with Holly

Frettwell of the Property Environment and Research Center in Bozeman, Montana, where glory lives.

She and her colleague Jonathan Wood have published

Fix America's Forest, Reforms to Restore National Forest and Tackle the Wirefire

crisis. If you know Perk and you've heard me talk to Perk over the years. You know that the way forward is a partnership

between private enterprise and the national forests or the state forests. And what is to be done is to create those partnerships and Holly and

Jonathan have examples here. Holly what is the National Forest Foundation

and how does it work in say Northern Arizona and could work in Southern Arizona?

What does the model look like Holly?

Well, the National Forest Foundation is a congressionally charted nonprofit

that actually takes revenues that people are interested in donating to help manage

the forest revenues coming in from other areas, grant funds, etc, and then is able to pass those

through to the Forest Service to get some of this work done. So they are sort of the catalyst to create some of these

collaborative groups and bring them together to be able to work with the Forest Service.

What we've seen in the Northern Arizona is a great project that's been taking place to try to

enhance restoration in the region. It's a collaboration with a number of different

groups, the Salt River Project, who's a utility company,

City of Phoenix, Scottsdale, Coca-Cola, Arizona Department of Fish and Wildlife,

outdoor recreation groups, conservation groups, a whole bunch of different individuals that are interested in

ensuring that we reduce the risk of wildfire and that we enhance the the use of

our forest if you will so that we can use it for both products you know wood

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