Okay, I'm pulling out of my garage. That means it's time for another drive to work. So today, I thought I would talk about a set that I did not lead, but I was on. I realized I have a lot of podcasts to do, so I thought it would be fun to sort of talk about stuff where I was in the supporting role.

Anyway, so where do I start?

So Invasion had a team of three, Bill Rose, who's the current VP of R&D, and Mike Elliott,

who was a longtime designer.

Let me talk a little bit about sort of what this all comes from.

So I believe that there is a couple different waves of R&D.

So the first wave of R&D was the people that worked with Richard on the initial design,

the original playtefters, and that back in 94, a bunch of them,

scaphalized, Jim Lynn, Dave Petty, Charlie Catino,

they came to Wizards when Magic first became popular.

So the second wave is what I consider myself part of,

which was in 95, a year later, basically what happened was,

Wizards was doing so much stuff that they needed more R&D people,

and the people that were there were interested in working on other things,

so they wanted to bring people into work on magic.

So what happened was, so I've told my story a billion times,

basically I was freelancing for the duelist,

and I turned into other freelancing

work and eventually I said I'd be willing to come to Wizards. They hired me. So Bill Rose was one

of the original playtefters. He could have been in the first wave except he didn't come out that

fast. He had a job and by the time he was able to come out, well, you know, the second wave had already started.

But he knew everybody from the first wave, so he was much more connected.

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