I'm pulling out of the IHop parking lot.

You all know what that means.

It's another drive to work.

So I have a special, it's a special episode of Drive to Work, which I'm calling Drive to the Airport.

Because my mom is in town.

In fact, we were at breakfast at IHOP.

All the grandkids have the last breakfast of grandma. But now I'm driving her to the airport on my way to work.

So say hi, Mom.

Hi.

So I did a podcast with my dad that went over very, very well. And I realized I had to drive my mom to the airport today on my way to work.

So I'm like, wait a minute, here's the opportunity to have the companion piece to meet my dad.

It is meet my mom.

So, mom, why don't we introduce you a little bit?

So when I, when dad was on the show, I explained how he was very instrumental in getting me into gaming.

But I believe that there's a lot of other aspects of things I do that you were very influential.

And although you are not, not much.

I mean, you're like a social gamer, but you're not a hobby gamer, as we say.

Okay, so one of the things that I i'm well known for at wizards is i say that um when when i got there that r and d was very focused on math uh and i brought a shift

from math to psychology to r and d so let's talk about what what you, or I mean you're retired now, about what you did for a living.

I was a clinical psychologist and a forensic psychologist, which means I saw clients and I testified in court.

And I remember when you were writing a play in college you came to me because you were trying

to look for what were defense mechanisms.

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