I said empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water.

It's about how hard you hit.

It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.

How much you can take and keep moving forward?

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as he dives into the minds of the foremost innovative health care thinkers and movement masters on their approach to optimal health and wellness.

A Line Podcast.

Welcome! Welcome back to the live podcast. My name is Ayrid Alexander. And today's little old episode

to chat with the writer of Blue Mind, Wallace Nichols. He is a pretty big

deal in the world of environmental science and ocean Protection.

GQ magazine calls him the Keeper of the Sea. Outside magazine calls him a visionary.

He's got a PhD in Wildlife Ecology and

Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, he is a writer best-selling book we got in front of here

Blue Mind, really, really radical book and really fascinating conversation, significantly different than what I was anticipating just before the conversation I believe just just weeks before

his father had passed away and I think it might have been less time than that.

It was an Earth day, I'm not sure how many days that was exactly before.

But so the conversation went down a completely different direction than I had expected or anticipated.

And we went with it like we do here in the podcast. And just loved it. I had I was I was bubbling over with

intrigue in the conversation. We got into death and life and the role of water and fluid dynamics in this whole wacky wild game that we're playing called life.

You squeeze a snowball and it melts and you squeeze a handful of water and it goes between your

fingers and you can't. So if you try to sculpt, you know, this the science of water, you just get wet and make a big mess and you get nothing.

And so you do need, I felt like this conversation required the art and the

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