Dr. Steven Gundry: Is Fungus Secretly Running the World—and Your Gut? : 1270
The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey
Dave Asprey
4.6 • 7.3K Ratings
🗓️ 15 April 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
If your brain feels foggy, your mood swings like a pendulum, or your cravings seem to control you—this episode will flip what you think you know about your body and your mind. Because what if your thoughts… aren’t really yours?
In this mind-altering episode of The Human Upgrade, Dr. Steven Gundry reveals a startling new theory: your gut microbiome might be controlling your thoughts. From addiction and depression to obesity and inflammation, the microbes living in your gut—bacteria, fungi, viruses, even parasites—may be pulling the strings on your brain chemistry, mood, and behavior.
Dave Asprey and Dr. Gundry dive deep into The Gut-Brain Paradox, exposing how the gut-brain axis operates more like a microbial command center than a digestive system. You’ll learn why probiotic pills rarely work, how the wrong microbes can drive compulsive behavior, and how toxic foods, glyphosate, and antibiotics have turned our guts into neurological war zones.
Most shocking of all? Microbes may not just influence addiction—they may cause it.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
• How your gut microbiome can hijack your brain and influence your thoughts and behavior
• Why certain microbes may actually cause addiction, obesity, and depression
• How antibiotics, glyphosate, and processed foods are turning your gut into a desert
• How to rebuild your gut ecosystem using postbiotics, fermented foods, and precision inputs
• Why food cravings might be microbial mind control—and what to do about it
• What the latest science reveals about the gut-brain axis, neurotransmitters, and neuroinflammation
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Timestamps:
• 00:00 — Trailer
• 02:01 — Intro
• 03:55 — The Gut-Brain Connection
• 04:45 — Microbiome Communication and Control
• 08:19 — The Role of Fungi and Plants
• 11:29 — Microbiome Diversity and Health
• 19:05 — Addictive Microbiome and Behavior
• 28:17 — Antibiotics and Gut Health
• 30:49 — Listener Concerns and Gut Health
• 31:02 — Whale Watching and Climate Change
• 32:58 — Understanding SIBO and Bacterial Migration
• 34:02 — The Role of Soluble Fiber and Fermented Foods
• 36:12 — Complexity of Gut Microbiome
• 36:49 — Restoring Ecosystems and Gut Health
• 38:23 — Precision Microbiome Manipulation
• 41:31 — Calcium Formation and Gut Bacteria
• 43:56 — Oxalates vs. Lectins Debate
• 46:04 — Whole Foods and Glyphosate Concerns
• 51:47 — Dopamine Levels and Gut Health
• 54:59 — Conclusion and Book Promotion
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| 0:00.0 | Some companies out there would have us believe that all we have to do is swallow a few of the appropriate bacteria and will recede our gut and everything will be fine. |
| 0:14.1 | What if the thoughts in your head weren't yours? What if cravings weren't about willpower? What if your microbiome was addicted? |
| 0:21.6 | Dr. Stephen Gundry is one of the most respected and rebellious minds in medicine. |
| 0:26.3 | He's a world-renowned heart surgeon who left the OR to fix something far more broken, |
| 0:31.4 | our guts and the way we think about them. |
| 0:33.8 | The New York Times best-selling author of The Plant Paradox is back on the show. And in the |
| 0:38.5 | gut brain paradox, he makes a radical claim. Your gut bacteria may be the puppet masters of your |
| 0:44.4 | mind. The brain bacteria connection. The lack of bacterial exposure actually weakens brain |
| 0:52.6 | defenses. They shape your cravings. |
| 0:54.9 | They hijack your neurotransmitters. |
| 0:56.6 | They trigger addiction, depression, even obesity. |
| 0:59.4 | And it gets weirder. |
| 1:00.6 | These bugs can move between people like a virus, through the air, through social contact. |
| 1:05.7 | You don't just act like your friends. |
| 1:07.5 | You might be hosting their microbiome. |
| 1:09.8 | This is not self-help. |
| 1:11.2 | This is molecular warfare, and the battleground is your gut. |
| 1:15.0 | But here's the upgrade. |
| 1:15.9 | With the right tools, you can take back control. |
| 1:18.5 | Your bacteria can heal your brain. |
| 1:20.6 | Your terrain can shape your destiny. |
| 1:22.6 | And the forest inside you can regrow. |
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