Today we're speaking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta who has a new book called World War C. Lessons from

the COVID-19 pandemic and how to prepare for the next one. Sanjay and I had a great conversation

about the state of the world, all things health care, how he manages, writing all of these books,

practicing neurosurgery, and being a CNN correspondent. He's a great guy. I hope you enjoy this

conversation with Sanjay Gupta. So I have so many questions for you. While we're talking about

the pandemic, let's just keep talking about it because honestly, how do you think this started?

You mean the virus itself? Yes. Well, you know, I think it's come down to two possibilities and one is

far more likely than the other, but they both, you know, are possibilities still. One is that

this virus jumped at some point from an animal to a human. That is how the vast majority of emerging

infectious diseases start, 75, 80 percent, and also SARS, which was a very similar virus that

in at least in 2003, that's how that started. So I think there's a lot of, you know, sort of historical

evidence that that would be the case here as well. The other possibility is that it was being

studied in a lab and it had already been isolated and studied in a lab and it leaked from that lab,

probably in the body of somebody, right? There was a lot of people who may have been infected have no

symptoms. So that person may not have known and then started spreading it. I think the first theory is

more likely, but they're both still possibilities. So this is a common practice. And when you say it was

generated in a lab, is it done for the purposes of bio weaponry or the other thing that comes to mind

is a whole other road. I won't go down, but it's like we've had HIV for so long and you know,

why can't we come up with a vaccine for that? But I don't want to digress too much. So when they

study viruses with this level of catastrophic potential, why are they doing that? Are they making

them? Are they they've already found and they've studied them? What is that about?

Well, you know, so in this case, I think what possibly happened is that they found this coronavirus

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