Dr Sabrina Cohen-Hatton | Breaking the glass ceiling, getting off the streets and redefining what it means to be a woman in power.
The Emma Guns Show
Emma Gunavardhana
4.8 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 20 March 2023
⏱️ 83 minutes
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Summary
One of the great privileges of creating this podcast is getting to see the world through the lens of other people’s experiences. Seeing the world through Sabrina’s eyes was utterly enthralling.
She experienced homelessness in her teens, now holds one of the most senior positions in the Fire Brigade and has multiple qualifications making her an expert leading international expert on risk-critical decision-making in crises.
I ask all my guests, ‘What’s your relationship like with risk?’ and as someone whose day job involves dealing with something as unpredictable as fire, Sabrina’s answers are a perspective I hadn’t heard before.
What an incredible guest, and now friend, whose primary mission in life is to pay it forward.
Sabrina’s book The Gender Bias is available now.
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| 0:00.0 | I don't think I've ever been more excited about an answer. |
| 0:06.4 | After having the experience that I did of homelessness, |
| 0:09.1 | I hid it for so long. |
| 0:10.7 | I felt like I couldn't talk about it. |
| 0:12.9 | But actually, if you own your vulnerabilities and your failures |
| 0:16.0 | with as much conviction as you own your successes, |
| 0:18.6 | then the people that come up behind you don't have such a tough journey. |
| 0:21.7 | But when I first joined the fire service, |
| 0:23.7 | there's absolutely no doubt they didn't want me there. |
| 0:26.7 | How many times as women do we just put up with things |
| 0:29.5 | that happen because we think it's just the way of the world? |
| 0:32.3 | And I did a seven-year part-time PhD in three years. |
| 0:35.2 | People told me I was nuts. |
| 0:37.4 | And the work that we did changed the national policy. |
| 0:41.0 | There's something deeply important |
| 0:43.4 | about not blaming people for the biases that they have |
| 0:46.2 | and recognising that we all have them. |
| 0:48.0 | But there's something for everybody in that. |
| 0:49.7 | Not just women, not just someone that's experiencing a bias, |
| 0:52.8 | everyone can take something from them. |
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