Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts.

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defuses them with humor and actual advice. Listen to Don't Panic on the Wondery app or

wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, this is Dan Harris. I am a fidgety skeptical newsman who had a panic attack live on Good

Morning America. That led me to something I always thought was ridiculous. Meditation.

Basically, here's what I'm obsessed with. Can you be an ambitious person and still strive

for enlightenment? Whatever that means.

Okay, my guess this time is one of the most interesting dudes I've ever met. Check out

his resume. He is a lawyer, a rabbi, a meditation teacher, a gay rights activist and author

and a columnist for the Daily Beast. He's Jay Michaelson. Did I miss anything? That's

more than enough. You also just skip the professor. It's theological seminary, but that's

fine. It's an impressive list. Now primarily my interest in you is that you've done a lot

of meditation, serious meditation, months of silent retreat and yet are still as one

can obviously tell from that list of occupations very engaged in the actual world. So I want

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