Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts.

New episodes of Briden and are available early and ad free on Amazon Music or by subscribing

to Wondery Plus in Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app.

The Panic is a new comedy podcast from Wondery that leans into our most absurd anxieties and

defuses them with humor and actual advice. Listen to Don't Panic on the Wondery app or

wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, this is Dan Harris. I am a fidgety skeptical newsman who had a panic attack live on Good

Morning America. That led me to something I always thought was ridiculous. Meditation.

I wrote a book about it called 10% Happier, started an app and now I'm launching this

podcast to try to figure out whether there's anything beyond 10%. Basically here's what

I'm obsessed with. Can you be an ambitious person and still strive for enlightenment?

Whatever that means.

Hey, it's Dan, our guest today or my guest today. I guess I can say it's my guest today.

It's kind of like my show. Brian Coppeland, he is the co-creator of the new show on Show

Time called Billions, which is a great show if you're not watching it, you should be.

He's also written a bunch of movies like Rounders, which is a cult classic, Ocean's 13,

Runner Runner. He's also, and this is important given the context, the Meditator, and Meditation

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