They say that changing your mind is the best sign that you have one.

I'm joined by Kieran Owen, aka Jimmy the Giant, whose journey from the alt-right pipeline

over to the left was not only dramatic but highly public.

What does it take to be able to admit that some of your most dearly held beliefs might be wrong?

How has the left failed to connect with people outside of a narrow academic bubble?

And is the future of politics a red ed davy?

We talk about inequality, Britishness, the manosphere and the Mount Rushmore of rap.

And I hope that you enjoy the interview as much as I enjoyed conducting it.

What's your Mount Rushmore of all-time great rappers?

That's a good question.

Are you talking like just people I like to listen to or like skillful lyricists or that kind of shit?

However you want to interpret the question.

Yeah, for me, it would be like Tyler the creator.

Okay.

Absolutely number one.

Because I see it as the whole package, like what they did for the culture, what they did for like, yeah, like people's lives and shit.

Yeah, yeah, like people's lives and shit. Yeah, yeah. And the music, obviously.

I remember, like, the Yonkers video came out and, like, hadn't seen anything like it.

Yeah.

You know, I was, like, such a hipster prick.

Are we like, we're rolling, so this is that how you're doing it?

Yeah, yeah.

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