Today's guest is sold over 2 million books in a range of different languages.

They're probably one of the most successful non-fiction writers out there.

They're a historian, a public intellectual, if you will, and they're best known for this clip.

I mean, I hear people talk in the language of participation and justice and equality and transparency.

But then, I mean, almost no one raises the real issue of tax avoidance, right, and of the rich just not paying their fair share.

I mean, it feels like I'm at a firefighters conference and no one's allowed to speak about water.

I mean, this is not rocket science.

I mean, we can talk for a very long time about all these stupid philanthropy schemes.

We can invite Bono once more.

Come on, we gotta be talking about Texas.

That's it, Texas, Texas, Texas.

All the rest is bullshit, in my opinion.

But looking back over the last 10 years, maybe certain kinds of activism simply haven't worked.

Maybe now is the time to take account, take stock of where we really are,

and whether things like awareness raising are adequate or sufficient.

Today's guest thinks not.

His latest book, Moral Ambition, is an endowment on precisely

that approach and a call for a left that doesn't just talk and critique, but also does and builds.

Rookerbegman, welcome to Downstray. Great to see you again. Well, welcome back. Yeah. There's a

third time now, right?

Yeah. I think the first time was what, 2018?

Ah, yeah, something like that. We already talked about the waste of talent back then, and people wasting their careers in finance and consultancy and corporate law. But now we're going to talk about how we can actually do something about it.

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