Hey folks, welcome to another episode of the Dark Horse Podcast. I'm your host, Brett Weinstein.

And with me today via remote link is my good friend Douglas Murray. Welcome Douglas.

Great to be with you, Brett.

Well, I'm really glad you agreed to join me for this and I'm really looking forward to the conversation.

I should confess up front that I have not read your book, but let me tell you something.

I did something better. I had you read your book to me.

Now in this case, the audiobook is read by you and while that's a lovely option in many cases,

your voice is so resonant and your choice of wording and diction is so precise and careful

that having you read it is even more delightful than reading it on the page. So for those of you

who enjoy that sort of thing, I would highly recommend the audio version of this book,

which Douglas reads and I would suggest at least go through a few chapters at regular speed so

you can hear just how carefully put together this lovely book is. I also want to say a couple

things about this book and maybe set the discussion in a particular direction. In some ways,

I didn't need this book because my life, its trajectory has put me in a circumstance that I'm

obviously thoroughly steeped in the various contradictions of intersectionality and the result of

what happens when they're deployed into the world. However, I do think that your book is potentially

revolutionary from the point of view of steering our way out of the mess that we find ourselves in.

It was really so brilliantly argued and so thorough and so careful. I mean, you really bend over

backwards to look into these matters and let them indict themselves rather than caricaturing

the arguments on the other side, for example. So thank you for writing it for one thing and

it has my strongest recommendation for people to pick it up. Whatever sides of these issues they

find themselves on, it is well worth us engaging. Well, thank you very much for that. Delighted,

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