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Hello and welcome to the Double X Gab Fest for Tuesday, August 4th.

I'm Hannah Rosen, a founding editor of Double X, and I'm here in Washington with our friend Margaret Talbot from the New Yorker and Emily Bazelon, who is joining

us from a lakeside in Maine where she's on vacation. Hello, everyone. Hi. So today we're

going to talk about a few things. It's a sort of New York Times Magazine edition. We're going to

talk about the Michael Pollan cover story about food called No One Cooks Here Anymore.

And then also another story in the Times Magazine by Peggy Ornstein about girls superheroes and then health insurance in between.

So let's start with Michael Pollan story.

So in this fabulous story, which was the cover in the New York Times magazine, Pollen talks about this idea that we are all

obsessed with cooking at the moment. There's the food network and cooking shows, and we all love to

watch people cook, but that no one actually cooks anymore. No one actually sort of goes home and

makes food. And so it's about this sort of weird, ironic moment we're in where our relationship

with food and the making of food is kind of off balance. And so it's about this sort of weird, ironic moment we're in where our relationship with food and the making of food is kind of off balance.

And so I guess the first question to ask which Margaret and I were just discussing is, is he suggesting there's a causal relationship between these two.

It's sort of the more sort of relationship we have with food is a kind of thing we like to watch and watch other people do the less we actually feel like we can cook it ourselves. And like all these conversations, they always start with Julia

Child because she seems to be our sort of perfect, the paragon of perfect cooking and relationship

with cooking. So Margaret, I know you've written about her before and sort of Americans' relationship with cooking.

What do you think Michael Pollan is saying?

Well, I mean, I love that he starts with Julia Child.

And, of course, the movie is coming out, Julia, next week.

And it'll be interesting to see if, you know, lots and lots of Americans love her now as much as I and maybe you like to think they should, and I guess Michael Paulin thinks

they should.

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